I'm putting together a ten gallon fish tank, my first 'big' tank (I have had a little 2.5 gallon set up for years) and I want to get it right. so - I am going to give a list of fish I want to have! those of you with more experience, please tell me if I have too many fish, or if they won't get along or whatever else.

1 yoyo loach - 1 betta - 5 neons - and an African dwarf frog

possibly guppies if I have more room. what does everyone think?

That sounds ok. I began with a similar size tank, and probaly had a couple more fish. I'm unfamiliar with the Frog, and so don't know it's eating habits - would it eat a Neon?

Of course the Frog will need some sort of perch, so it can get out of the water (But you'd know that). And again, I'm not sure of wether water quality affects Frogs, like it does Fish. You've got mainly South American fish, 1 SE Asian, and an African Frog. The former ok in soft - medium water. The Frog - I don't know...

according to my studies of internet sources, these frogs co exist just fine with other fishies... then again it's the internet! on another forum, I read several accounts of a beta living just fine with these frogs too. they are very small, and wouldn't eat a neon.

hopefully I can get this put together sooner rather than later! I will have pictures when I get everything thrown together. I'm kind of waiting on my baby sitting check.... should be getting a bucket load! lol

I'd add one or two more yoyos, since they're happier in a group - with this arrangement, you'd have to make sure to keep up the weekly water changes because that's almost overstocking the tank. But it can be done! You can even get cories instead of yoyos if you want. Also, make sure you have some good hiding places for them like caves and lots of plants (fake or real). And if the frog starts growing, take him back to the pet store!! Sometimes they sell them as dwarf frogs but they really aren't, and you'd end up with heartbreak when you wake up one day with no fishies and one fat frog.

If you're going to get guppies, watch the betta with them for a while because you might have a jealous betta who doesn't like their fancy tails and he'd rip them to shreds. Personally, I think a moderate-sized school of neons would look better with the betta by highlighting his long-finned beauty.

My sister had a dwarf frog with her betta for a long time and they got along great.

Here's my 10-gallon community in progress: a betta, 5 cories, and 10 to 15 neons. I still have to get 3 cories and the neons.

Can someone PLEASE put up a picture of a Yoyo Loach, so I can see what all the fuss is about?

kana3 try following this link as you say you probly Know them by another name

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You're dead right Clunkster.

Before I'd even focused on the text, 'ah - Pakistani Loach!'. I was looking at some at the Aquarium just this afternoon.

So where did 'yo-yo' come from? Someone looped some string around one, and did a few tricks?

From experience I wouldn't put the frog and the betta in together, more for the safety of your frog. Male betta's can get a bit territorial and anything that likes to hang around in its space is liable to be chased or attacked which your frog would do . What I'd advise is to turn the 2.5gal tank into a frog tank and the 10gal for your fish.

Also be careful what frog your buying because the African Clawed frog is often sold as a Dwarf Frog and it isn't - check

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for a bit more info about them.

hey.... that's a good idea!

I've read several things about betas doing well with frogs... but you said you have been taking care of fish for over 15 years, so I more prone to trust you! Perhaps I will be able to do a frog with some guppies...

well, it looks like I can do all this stuff later this month. I hope it all goes well! you'll all probably be the first to see

Its probably me being over cautious, but bettas also like live/frozen food and he'll get used to you feeding from the top of the tank pretty quickly. The frogs legs moving round near the surface when the frog swims past can end up looking like a very tempting snack if you know what I mean . Then again I might be unlucky with bettas and always pick the bully...

sounds ok to me.

i agree that u might want 2 or 3 loaches for company. saying that i have had a lone tiger loach for ages that seems happy by himself (his pal died )

i also am prone to agree that the beta and frog may not get on. my male beta chases any fish that get in his space, from black neons to harlequins, which is ok as the neons and harlequins are fast and good at getting out his way, but a frog may not be able to avoid the beta so easily.

u probably know the following, but just incase, remember to cycle the tank. i'd suggest use 'old' water from ur old tank and maybe seed the filter with some old filter material. i'd suggest add the neons then a week or so later add the other fish.

i would also suggest that u maybe try a plant or 2. without getting too fancy, adding co2 etc, u could maybe try java fern and java moss. very sturdy plants that will survive almost anywhere and give ur fish there own little playground and refuge, when they want it.

best of luck

I am totally having plants - couldn't imagine an aquarium with them! lol

I'll probably do the frog thing in the 2.5 gal... then I can have a guppy or two in there too (for some reason I adore guppies)

I know about cycling, but I have never heard of seeding a filter w/ material from the old filter... could you explain please?

EDIT: o duh, I know about seeding I just never called it that... heh, heh, blonde moment!

i was wondering layne, if u fancy having a 'planted' 10g tank i can tell u how to make a simple homemade co2 system that worked great on a 10g planted tank that i set up.

without co2 u can grow a few sturdy plants but if u have enough lighting and inject co2 then u can have a lush green tank to rival the biggest and best planted tanks.

being an 'obsessive' aquarist i enjoy sharing what i've learned, lol. let me know here if u r interested and i will do a post that explains the co2 setup that i made.

as an example, and because i was dead proud of it here is a pic of my 10g tank when it was looking nicely planted. currently my 10g is a fry and java fern grow out tank so i dont use co2 on it just now.

that does look nice sure, I'd like instructions please!

i will add a post to the plant section of the forum later today or tomorrow, including a basic diagram of the co2 setup i made for my 10g tank. it is quite simple and can be made fom bits and pieces that u probably already have or that can be bought for pennies.

if i remember i will pm u when i have added the post to let u know it is there layne.